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More on Jack Molay's article

We know very well that sex identity does not automatically equal gender identity.

The article explains that if you set up a culture where there are no significant pressures to present and behave as per your birth sex and if sex and gender identity are unrelated you should theoretically see less people conforming to expectation of how a man or woman should dress and behave and therefore observe a greater degree of gender variance.

If women are no longer required subscribe to the feminine ideal (which was one of the goals of the North American feminist movement in the 1960’s) then you should (again theoretically) see more women dressed in more casual and perhaps androgynous attire. Conversely, if men are not expected to be extra manly then you should see more androgyny from them as well. This would be a more logical expectation than what he is observing in his home country.

What he is postulating is that for non-gender conflicted people, there is a core identity in which your birth sex and gender identity line up; maybe not perfectly but they generally line up. If you remove constraints on how to dress and behave through liberation of the sexes (such as in a country like Norway) yet still observe no change in gender presentations it tends to signify that this core identity of ours is rooted in biology. Most men don’t dress like women and most women don’t dress like men simply because they have no desire to.

Yet not only are Norwegian women opting to dress very much like women but apparently in an exaggerated form of femininity which runs counter to expectation since theirs is not a society with strict gender rules such as 1950’s America. They are secure women and yet have a strong affinity for their femininity and dress in a manner that can also be considered alluring and sexually desirable.

The logical conclusion then is that gender variant or disphoric people are also behaving and dressing in a manner that is in alignment with their own internal core gender identity. In their particular case, however, it runs counter to their birth sex. In other words, gender disphoria has roots in biology which is something I have felt and known for a very long time even if there is no conclusive proof at present.


  1. "...there are no significant pressures to present and behave as per your birth sex and if sex and gender identity are unrelated"

    Awesome! Two unsupported conjectures, set up as false premises in a row. Wow! How utterly kewl.

    Sex and gender ARE related....and Jack offers no prove that there are no "significant pressures to present and behave as per your birth sex", in Norway.

    Perhaps in Jack's little ghetto that might be the case, but a quick trip to Norway will prove to you that the opposite is in fact the case.

    But lets move on shall we....

    "The logical conclusion then is that gender variant or disphoric people are also behaving and dressing in a manner that is in alignment with their own internal core gender identity."

    Nooooo.........That is not a logical conclusion. It is just as logical, (or illogical), to conclude that they are " behaving and dressing in a manner that is in alignment with their own" personal caricature of what they find arousing about women.

    Just a thought....:-)

  2. yes just a tthought in your own smug little world AQV. I am bored with you and since you are like an elephant hiding behind a lampost and everyone knows it you will be allowed to post your opinions just as I post mine.

    You evidently need to convince yourself that what you did was right which is your primary motivation for coming here and posting so vigorosuly. You know it and everyone else does too. Once your comments spill over into vitriol or hyperbole (as they have are prone to do) they will simply be deleted.

    Have a great day!

  3. "Jack's litte ghetto"?? getting a litle frustrated are we?

  4. Again....weak. Ignore the message Attack the messenger. Vacuous.

  5. Not that I'm necessarily agreeing with A Loud Mouth, but I just don't see Norway as very insular, or uninfluenced by largest western culture. Considering also that places and times that do have less sexual restrictions (or at least differently focused ones) often do hold androgyny as an ideal. The Greeks did, Japan does.

    Not to mention that it isn't so much of a weakening of gender restrictions as a weakening of certain sources of gender restriction. Mostly contrasting sexual liberation with religious sexual repression -- but religions hardly make women be as feminine, pretty, and dress as sexy as possible. Quite the opposite is true, and in societies with less of this kind of sexual repression by society at large, or a powerful and respected institution, but comes from people's preferences. The increased positive focus on sex, and its acquisition is what prompts strong feminine and masculine displays, and a greater need to differentiate oneself as well, to be noticed as a man, or as a woman.


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